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Clashing Problems in Mormon Doctrine PT 3


Mosiah 23:16 says Alma was the founder of their church.
Matthew 16:18 says Christ claims that He will establish His church.

Only one can be true.

So who do we believe?

Well Jesus stated that he is the Way, the Truth and the Life,.. then he Proved it. I simply can’t say that for Nephi.-Kenn


Clashing Problems in Mormon Doctrine PT 2

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2 Nephi 10:3 says that Christ “should be his name”. Christ is a title with the Hebrew word Messiah. It is not a name. God would not make that mistake in helping Joseph translate the plates.

Kenn- Joseph could not translate real much less imaginary languages, so it was just ignorance that demonstrates that Jesus Christ is his actual name. I will add that many Christians too are far to ignorant. That doesn’t excuse “Nephi” for his mistake however.

Clashing Problems in Mormon Doctrine Pt 1.

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These are some inconsistencies that were posted by another who gets the credit for some great arguements, however, since I do not know them nor have their permission to give their name, I will not.

If you are an LDS,… how would you tackle these questions?



Alma 45:13-15 states that the believers began to be called Christians before the birth of Christ (73 B.C.) Acts 11:26 says the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Which is it, it cannot be both.

Questions to ask Mormons Pt 6: How good is good enough?

Just how good do you have to be to be “Saved”, “After all we can do” according to the teachings of the LDS Church.

Way more than I can handle, and if you are honest, you might agree as well.

While Christians understand ‘Grace’ to be the undeserved free gift of God, Mormons expect no such free gift of Salvation. In fact ‘Grace’ is dependent upon your good works; you have to EARN it! In fact, ‘Grace’ won’t even BEGIN until you’ve exhausted yourself:

Please remember, these are LDS Leaders, Prophets etc, speaking,…

2 Nephi 25:23
For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. 

 “Grace is granted to men proportionately as they conform to the standards of personal righteousness that are part of the gospel plan.” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 339).

“As with all other doctrines of salvation, justification is available because of the atoning sacrifice of Christ, but it becomes operative in the life of an individual only on conditions of personal righteousness” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 408).

“…one of the untrue doctrines found in modern Christendom is the concept that man can gain salvation (meaning in the kingdom of God) by grace alone and without obedience. This soul-destroying doctrine has the obvious effect of lessening the determination of an individual to conform to all of the laws and ordinances of the gospel, such conformity being essential if the sought reward is in reality to be gained.” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p. 671)

“Certain saved-by-grace-alone fanatics flatter their followers into believing they can be saved through no act other than confessing Christ with their lips.” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 287).

One of the most pernicious doctrines ever advocated by man, is the doctrine of ‘justification by faith alone’, which has entered into, the hearts of millions since the days of the so-called ‘reformation’” (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Restoration of All Things, p.192).

One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation.” (Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 206-207).

Heber C. Kimball– “I have the power to save myself, and if I do not save myself, who will save me? All have that privilege, and naught can save us but obedience to the commandments of God.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 269.)

“Salvation comes by grace, faith and works. Unless a man will adhere to the doctrine and walk in faith, accepting the truth and observing the commandments as they have been given, it will be impossible for him to receive eternal life, no matter how much he may confess with his lips that Jesus is the Christ, or believe that his Father sent him into the world for the redemption of man… So it is necessary, not merely that we believe, but that we repent, and in faith perform good works until the end; and then shall we receive the reward of the faithful and a place in the celestial kingdom of God.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation: Sermons and Writings of Joseph Fielding Smith, 2:311).

None shall receive eternal life save it be those who keep the commandments of the Lord and are entitled thus to enter into his presence. ( Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Press, 1938), 346-47)

From the Articles of Faith

3. We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

“We accept Christ’s atonement by (1) repenting of our sins, (2) being baptized, (3) receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and (4) obeying all of the commandments. In this way we are cleansed from sin and become worthy to return and live forever with our heavenly Father…Christ’s atonement makes it possible to be saved from sin if we do our part.”

WOW #4 talks about following All Commandments

Are YOU good enough to do this? Do you have enough GOOD WORKS within you to live this way? Can you really TRY hard enough?
I simply believe that LDS Salvation is not attainable. Although, you may just think “Hey I just won’t be part of the Celestial Kingdome, but I will still get in somewhere.” What if,… What if you are wrong and the LDS Jesus, half-brother of Lucifer is not the Jesus of the Bible? What if it is either one Heaven or one Hell? I cannot and would not ever force you into any decision. I just believe you need to have all the cards on the table to make an INFORMED OBJECTIVE decision.

PAUL  Stated said this:

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work” (Rom. 11:6).

Grace and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to obtaining eternal life.

If you are a memeber of the LDS Church,.. I hope that you will think about just how IMPOSSIBLE it is to live the life they expect you to live.

Two Weeks In the Bible on the Holy Spirit

How do we come to know the Holy Spirit?

Be quiet and listen. “In the craziness of our world, it takes tremendous effort to find a quiet place.

It takes time to quiet your mind and your heart before the Lord,” says Chan. Maybe we need to make a special effort to listen, instead of distracting ourselves with our phones, emails, televisions, video games, to-do lists, etc.

Once we make space for the Spirit and full-heartedly attempt to get to know Him, we’ll be able to draw closer. We are also called to take chances in our lives; “put [ourselves] out there,” in a situation where we need the Spirit’s guidance. We’re only given one life. We can either live the gospel, or we could sit in complacency. “Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as the ‘Helper’ or ‘Comforter,’” Chan writes. How do we expect the Spirit to help or comfort us if we aren’t in situations where we need Him?


Day 1, Judges 14: The Spirit gives Samson strength

Day 2, 1 Samuel 10: King Saul’s experience

Day 3, Matthew 3:1–4:10: Role in Jesus’ baptism and temptation

Day 4, John 14: Jesus promises the Spirit

Day 5, John 16: The work of the Spirit

Day 6, Acts 2: The Spirit comes at Pentecost

Day 7, Acts 10: The Spirit guides Peter to accept Gentiles


Day 8, Romans 8: Christians’ victory in the Spirit

Day 9, 1 Corinthians 2: Wisdom from the Spirit

Day 10, 1 Corinthians 12: Gifts of the Spirit

Day 11, 1 Corinthians 14: Gifts of tongues and prophecy

Day 12, Galatians 5: Life in the Spirit

Day 13, Ephesians 4: Unity and gifts

Day 14, 1 John 4: Signs of the Spirit

Two Weeks In the Bible on Seeking after Christ

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What is a Christian? What does it mean to be a Christian? Well the logical place to look would be God’s word. This set of readings takes us through both the Old and New Testaments to give us an appreciation of the price Christ paid and the Grace that we are given. When we think about what God has done for us, we can see that our coming to salvation is not so much a bold move on our part, but rather an inspiring move on God’s part. If you are a believer I hope that these reading will encourage you to look at your salvation with fresh eyes, not taking what God has done for granted. If you are skeptical or considering the claims of Christ, read for yourself and see what you can discover in God’s word.


Day 1, Genesis 3: The first sin creates a need

Day 2, Isaiah 52: Salvation prophesied

Day 3, Isaiah 53: The role of the suffering servant

Day 4, Luke 15: Three stories about God’s love

Day 5, John 3: Jesus explains “born again”

Day 6, John 10: The good shepherd

Day 7, Acts 8: Conversions spread outside the Jews


Day 8, Acts 26: Paul testifies of his conversion before a king

Day 9, Romans 3: God’s provision for sin

Day 10, Romans 5: Peace with God

Day 11, Galatians 3: Salvation unavailable by obeying the law

Day 12, Ephesians 2: New life in Christ

Day 13, 1 Peter 1: Future rewards of salvation

Day 14, 2 Peter 1: Making your salvation sure

Two Weeks In the Bible on Prayer

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Prayer at times can seem to be a complicated thing. There seems to be many ways, styles and methods. I think that each of us has an intense longing to talk to God, and in the end, that is all that prayer truly is, talking to God. However, I think that our difficulty when we want to pray and we have no real relationship with God.  This set of readings take us through various prayers through the Old and New Testaments that demonstrate faith, longing, pain, hope, remorse, praise, and thanks displayed through RELATIONSHIP.  I hope you will see role that faith and relationship play in prayer!


Day 1, Genesis 18: Abraham’s plea for Sodom

Day 2, Exodus 15: Moses’ song to the Lord

Day 3, Exodus 33: Moses meets with God

Day 4, 2 Samuel 7: David’s response to God’s promises

Day 5, 1 Kings 8: Solomon’s dedication of the temple

Day 6, 2 Chronicles 20: Jehoshaphat prays for victory

Day 7, Ezra 9: Ezra’s prayer for the people’s sins


Day 8, Psalm 22: A cry to God for help

Day 9, Psalm 104: A prayer of praise

Day 10, Daniel 9: Daniel’s prayer for the salvation of Jerusalem

Day 11, Habakkuk 3: A prophet’s prayer of acceptance

Day 12, Matthew 6: The Lord’s prayer

Day 13, John 17: Jesus’ prayer for his disciples

Day 14, Colossians 1: Paul’s prayer of thanksgiving

Two Weeks on the Old Testament

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The Old Testament tells the story of God’s chosen  people, the Hebrews, who were later known as Israelites or Jews. God made a promise with a man named Abram. He told him that he would make his descendants a great nation. In time, his descendants moved to Egypt to escape a famine in their own land. After many generations they had greatly increased their numbers but had become enslaved to the Egyptians.God sent a great leader named Moses, to lead the Hebrews out of captivity and into the Promised Land of Israel. It was during this time that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments which are still considered the basis for a moral life by both Jews, Christians and much of the world.

God intended for the Israelites to live according to His commandments and to show the truth of God to all the world (Genesis 12:1-3). However, the Israelites forgot their mission and God, falling into idolatry.

When they walked away, God called prophets, such as Elijah, Elisha, Samuel, Jonah, Isaiah, Micah and many others, to turn the Holy one of Israel.

Ultimately, the culmination of the Old Testament is to prepare the way for Christ. He is present all throughout the Old Testament. He is the Messiah (meaning “anointed one”). These reading will give you a very brief highlight of the Old Testament.


Day 1, Genesis 1: The story of creation

Day 2, Genesis 3: The origin of sin

Day 3, Genesis 22: Abraham and Isaac

Day 4, Exodus 3: Moses’ encounter with God

Day 5, Exodus 20: The gift of the Ten Commandments

Day 6, 1 Samuel 17: David and Goliath

Day 7, 2 Samuel 11: David and Bathsheba



Day 8, 2 Samuel 12: Nathan’s rebuke of the king

Day 9, 1 Kings 18: Elijah and the prophets of Baal

Day 10, Job 38: God’s answer to Job

Day 11, Psalm 51: A classic confession

Day 12, Isaiah 40: Words of comfort from God

Day 13, Daniel 6: Daniel and the lions

Day 14, Amos 4: A prophet’s stern warning

(Again,.. I will not take credit for the “Readings Plan” I found them on the net and added a bit to it!)

Two Weeks on the Life and Teachings of Paul

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Paul led an amazing life that followed truth and his convictions. This set of readings leads you from his early days to his work in the early church as an evangelist. During his life he had great joy and great suffering as well. Paul wrote most of the New Testament to instruct the church (and us) as well as spent his life preaching and sharing Christ with all he came in contact with. After you finish reading this set of readings whether as a devotional, historically or otherwise, you will have a great perspective on the life of Paul and his mission.


Day 1, Acts 9: The conversion of Saul

Day 2, Acts 16: Paul’s Macedonian call and a jailbreak

Day 3, Acts 17: Scenes from Paul’s missionary journey

Day 4, Acts 26: Paul tells his life story to a king

Day 5, Acts 27: Shipwreck on the way to Rome

Day 6, Acts 28: Paul’s arrival in Rome

Day 7, Romans 3: Paul’s theology in a nutshell


Day 8, Romans 7: Struggle with sin

Day 9, Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

Day 10, 1 Corinthians 13: Paul’s description of love

Day 11, 1 Corinthians 15: Thoughts on the afterlife

Day 12, Galatians 5: Freedom in Christ

Day 13, Ephesians 3: Paul’s summary of his mission

Day 14, Philippians 2: Imitating Christ

Two Weeks In the Bible on Social Justice

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Social Justice.

An integral part of the Gospel is loving your neighbor. Although as believers we are to be set apart from the world, Jesus never called us to withdraw from the world! In fact he sent us boldly into the world to be his hands and feet. It is to this cause that we have the next two weeks of scripture readings about Social Justice and our call to follow the example we see in God’s word!


Day 1, Exodus 3: God hears the cries of the slaves

Day 2, Leviticus 25: The year of jubilee, a time of economic revolution

Day 3, Ruth 2: A poor woman finds help

Day 4, 1 Kings 21: Elijah speaks to a land-grabbing, murderous king

Day 5, Nehemiah 5: Nehemiah demands justice for the poor

 Day 6, Isaiah 5: Warning to fun-loving materialists

Day 7, Isaiah 58: Worship that God appreciates


Day 8, Jeremiah 34: Freedom for slaves

Day 9, Amos 2: Sins against God by his own people

Day 10, Amos 6: Warning to the complacent

Day 11, Micah 6: What the Lord requires

Day 12, Luke 3: John the Baptist tells how to prepare for Jesus

Day 13, Matthew 6: Jesus speaks on material things.

Day 14, James 2: How to treat the rich and the poor

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for
me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40 And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,f  you were doing it to me!’

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